FATE OF THE WORLD AT STAKE
PLANT YOUR FOOT IN HIS ASS AND BOOT HIM OVER THE SIDE
And then he’s all “Man is the source of all the worlds ills look at how terrible they are” NO I’D SAY YOUR INACTION THAT LEAD TO ALL THIS BAD STUFF PRETTY MUCH AS TERRIBLE
YOU WERE STANDING OVER A PIT OF LAVA
IT WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN THAT HARD
Actually, I asked my father about this when I was nine and saw the movie for the first time. The answer I got was this: the kind of person who would immediately throw an ally, someone they fought alongside in a huge war and who just ended said war, into a pit of lava is the kind of person who would keep the ring. Perhaps if he could stop time and take a week to analyze the situation and the consequences…
As a general rule good guys don’t boot their friends into lava.
….yeah, I think that’s the answer for a nine year old. The black and white answer, you know? There’s good and bad, Elrond was Good who Couldn’t Do That.
But there’s a huge problem with the kind of “good” that’ll sacrifice a world for a person. Especially after a war where you’ve already seen friends and allies turn on one another and know so well that they can be corrupted. People are desperate. The war needs to end, and as long as the ring is around, it can’t. Elrond’s a leader. A leader is the person who has to make those sorts of horrible decisions.The good of one over the good of many. And that look? That like right there, when he says “no.” That is the face of a man who knows exactly what he’s doing. Who saw everything happen and still would chose to keep the ring.
And that is the type of person, the ally, you should throw into lava. Feel the hesitation, possibly be pulled apart by it, but do it in the end and mourn the fact that you had to make that decision for the rest of your life. That’s a good guy too. That’s a better guy, at least in terms of leadership.
Sorry to continue bugging you over this one LoTR joke, I just like overthinking shit, that’s all.
Isn’t Lord of the Rings very black and white though? The Ring corrupts, it is where it is most powerful and murder is especially corrupting. It would have corrupted Elrond if he wasn’t too much of a softie to kill Isildur (at least that’s how the reasoning goes). The tough decision for the greater good part is where I got the week of contemplation. Perhaps he would have come to the conclusion you said, but not instantly.
Anyway, it made sense to me when I heard it and the scene hasn’t bothered me since. I’ll stop bugging you now.
Alright, in terms of the ring, let’s say it is black in white. Ring is Bad. Don’t touch. Ergo, Isildur has ring and wants ring and refuses to let ring go? Isildur is Bad. The whole point of Frodo’s journey was that, even though he was good, he was slowly being tainted by the ring. But that’s just it; he was Good, so it took a freaking long time. Sam had the ring for a few hours and he didn’t decide to run off on his own. Boromir let it go once he realized what it was doing to him. Galadriel refused to take it.
Isildur looked Elrond in the eyes and smirked before walking away. And Elrond let him. And then he goes off and blames man for being evil, for being easily corrupted, for ruining the world, when he stood by and let the reason for all that saunter away. I don’t think that’s defensible. And for a leader in the middle of a war (that’s an important thing to remember), that doesn’t need a week. He didn’t have to throw Isildur straight into the lava, but he should have at least engaged. For someone who is in that position, that’s a split-second decision where you make a choice that hurts but one that needs to happen. Elrond made the wrong one.
And then, and this is what really gets me, what really makes it worse, is that he refuses to admit it and share the blame.
I rummaged around my sofa and discovered that I have two cents.
J.R.R. Tolkien. Am I right guys? This guy was pretty swell, pretty damn talented, and also probably smarter than all of us. So, and I am probably not going out on a limb at all with this, I am pretty sure he thought of all of this. Explanation follows.
Elrond is an elf, no ordinary elf, mind you, but an incredibly old descendant of the Maiar, the great angelic beings of Tolkien’s ethos, by way of Luthien, his great grandmother. So, essentially, he is an immortal half-angelic being. So I am pretty sure he of all people has a certain sway when it comes to the ethical dilemmas of Middle Earth.
He probably also understood the repercussions of drop-kicking a human lord into a volcano and having to explain why it was that an elf lord and a human lord went into Mount Doom with The One Ring, and the elf came back alone.